B-26 Marauder Footage

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  1. Pat Curran

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    Hi Guys,

    I found another interesting piece of footage on the British Pathe site here. It shows a number of different clips, most likely unrelated, of B-26 Marauders on an airstrip in the UK and also in the air over France.

    I have identified a number of areas on the Cotentin in the sequences shot from one of the aircraft. The first location found is between time marks 07:07 and 07:16 and shows Foucarville and some of the inundated flooded marshes between the village and the coast.

    Frame 427 (07:07):
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    | 428 | 429 | 430 | 431 | 432 | 433 | 434 | 435 |

    ...and 436 (07:16):
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    Below is the Google Earth locator chart for the start and end frames:

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    More to follow.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  2. Pat Curran

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    Hi All,

    The second sequence identified runs for 14 seconds between time marks 07:17 and 07:31. It's a wide angle oblique shot presumably from one of the B-26s' side windows looking southeastward along the D14 road.
    Here is the first frame 427 (07:07):

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    | 438 | 439 | 440 | 441 | 442 | 443 | 444 | 445 | 446 | 447 | 448 | 449 | 450 |

    ...and 451 (07:31):
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    This is the first time I have seen aerial footage of the Brecourt battery field, albeit from very high altitude. I also wonder what the large bright object is at 'Q'?

    More to follow.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  3. sirjahn

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    Any dates on the footage?
     
  4. Pat Curran

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    Hi Dale,

    The 128th Evacuation Hospital set up at Boutteville on the 11th of June and moved again on the 22nd, so it must be sometime within that date window.

    As with this and other footage, it is rarely all from the same source or date.

    If you look through the full clip, there are sequences which show heavy cloud cover as the camera plane flies south westward from just north of Sainte Mere Eglise towards Chef du Pont. There is no such cloud cover visible in the early sequences above.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  5. Pat Curran

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    Hi All,

    The next sequence appears to be a different one from those above as cloud cover is apparent in all eight seconds. The area in view is centred on the large glider field across the D17 road from the La Londe A6 ALG:

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    Below is the GE finder chart:

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    The other 7 second frames show almost the same view:

    | 453 | 454 | 455 | 456 | 457 | 458 | 459 |

    Note the 'tidied up' gliders on the east side of the La Londe Farm Avenue and the northern most corner of the A6 ALG. I have also referenced field SME-H-21 from the Glider Landing Site Survey field index.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  6. Pat Curran

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    Hi All,

    The next sequence shows a run over DZ 'O' to the west of Sainte Mere Eglise. This is the first time I have seen the locations of quite a few gliders in this area and even though cloud cover is a problem, these new locations add significantly to our knowledge base.

    British Pathe seem to have restricted the viewing of stills to the first minute of footage so the screenshots below are not as sharp as they could have been:

    Time mark 07min 39sec:
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    Time mark 07min 44sec:
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    Time mark 07min 47sec:
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    Time mark 07min 51sec:
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    ...and the GE finder chart (aircraft is flying WSW):

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    Note the stepped hedgerow and Waco 1 marked on the first of the four screenshots. Both appear in one of the first NCAP images I obtained a number of years back; TARA_ACIU_US30_4108_1062, flown on the 8th June:

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    Image Credit: RCAHMS/www.aerial.rcahms.gov.uk

    Note also the La Couture Farm avenue leading to the 82nd Divisional CP just visible on the last of the four screenshots above.

    I wonder if the original of this sequence shows the N13 as it appears to be just out of shot as the sequence opens. It is probably shot from too high an altitude to show any wrecks on the roads in any case...but you never know ;)

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  7. hans_ni-hi

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    British Pathe
    Hi Pat,
    is this still an open issue? I noticed you were seeing only the 1st min of stills from the British Pathe video. If you are going to scroll down to the bottom of the 1st groups of stills AND ;) be a little patient than you will see all stills. They will come up in groups of 30 sec into the the video down to the end.
    For ref
    7:39
     
  8. Pat Curran

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    Hi Hans,

    If you can find more locations from this footage, do please post them here. I used screenshots for the heavy cloud locations above only because I could not get the stills to show the gliders without cloud on LZ 'O'.

    There are other locations shown such as Torignie sur Vire, easily identifiable by the 'question mark' shaped lake, and I think also one second of the raid on the Clecy viaduct.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  9. hans_ni-hi

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    Brecourt Manor
    Hi Guys,

    I searched Brecourt Manor on Wiki, more in detail within the sources section and I found this Google Earth community link showing some 'finds' around the assault mapped in GE.

    You should see the latest post by user 'Munden' incl a *kmz. I open this guy and it has more details displayed.

    On the stills

    If you open the link to the British Pathe, go to stills and scroll all to the bottom than they all unfold like below.

    7:32 /
    7:46 /
    7:50 /

    BTW

    this web page DDayOverlord is probably not new to you. I found they have a valuable picture section of all beach heads only if you set French as the language. Go to iconographie so see before, from DDay and beyond.
     
  10. Pat Curran

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    Hi Hans,

    Have you found any further locations in the B-26 Marauder footage?

    Thanks,

    Pat
     
  11. hans_ni-hi

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    BP 1953.02 Suggestion: Gold Beach at 5:34
    Hi Guys,
    the still at 5:34 shows for me Gold Beach. The structure overseeing the beach I think can be seen in Frame at the place 8088 marked with an arrow.
    I added both as pictures into the thread.

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  12. Pat Curran

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    Hi Hans,

    Are you depending on the bunker only to tie this location?

    I could be wrong, but I think these bunkers were a standard type used on many beaches to house 50mm AT guns (sometimes facing inland).

    I cannot see a match for the pathways behind the beach as shown in the B-26 footage still and the groynes seem to be fully intact which would be unusual for an invasion beach.

    Like I say I could be wrong :D

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  13. Pat Curran

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    However...

    There certainly is some footage of Gold Beach in the film, so perhaps you do have the correct location Hans ;)
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    These guys seem to be flying at a higher altitude on a slightly different course but the formation may be splitting up to hit two different targets...also I presume they would climb after crossing the beachhead area to avoid German flak to the south.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  14. hans_ni-hi

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    Hi Pat,
    I had seen the structure to be similar in the footage and the areal cover picture from 1730 sortie and the rational was they would pass most likely beaches without any threat to them. So Gold Beach was my conclusion.
     
  15. Pat Curran

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    Hi Hans,

    Have you seen the intact groynes (sand traps) in any other cover for Gold Beach?

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  16. hans_ni-hi

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    Hi Pat, I have to agree. The sand traps are too prestine. No debrie, no nothing. Wrong location. :blush: Nice try. Will look further.
     
  17. Pat Curran

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    Hi Hans,

    I note that the few seconds of footage before your still shows both sea and air traffic traveling in the opposite direction to that of the Marauders - I wonder could the sand traps be on the south coast of England as the aircraft head home :dodgy:

    I had a look at the beach in front of Bournemouth and Brighton as just two examples where sand traps are used extensively today. The locations show huge post war sea front development so I cannot judge if these are possible locations.

    Staying on on our side of the Channel, I found that Pont Herbert has also become much bigger that it was in 1944, however the 'lazy W' double bend in the River Vire is unmistakeable:
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    The town cemetery, marked 'C', has also grown proportionally over the years!

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  18. hans_ni-hi

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    Sandtraps
    Hi Pat, All,
    the still at 5:34 shows in total ~13 sandtraps. I searched the Normandy coastal line and found only one place with this many sandtraps. Between Bernieres-sur-Mer and La-Seulles-Rivieres. No other place has this many.
    The pano below shows the stretch with the sandtraps. Source:IGN Cover 1947.
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    They have a different look and feel, not evenly spaced. The area behind the beaches looks also not right compared to 5:34. Most important no sign of the round structure overlooking the beach. So I think your theory' other side of the canal' is the only valid assumption for the moment.
     
  19. Pat Curran

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    Hi Hans,

    Just in case you are checking, I tried going round the Isle of Wight last night with no success.

    Regards,

    Pat
     
  20. hans_ni-hi

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    Torigni-sur Vire
    Hi All,
    I put together from the RCAF 400/0283 from 24June 2944 (Source: NCAP) a pano from Torigni-sur-Vire.

    From BP the stills starting with 3:39 to 4:13 and 4:48 to 5:16 showing a raid targeting this location


    [img=850x868]http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/hajothehh/RCAF/400_0283%2024June1944/Torigni-sur-Vire_small_zpse1norydn.jpg[/img]​

    I could also identify 2 serials
    RJ-B 2107582 > Still 73
    WT-? 131944 > Still 209
    Maybe this will help to help to identify the home airfield.

    Image size edited by Pat to make it 850 pixels wide.
     

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